Flagman’s world of flags

New Zealand Protester argues that burning flag a right to free speech

April 29th, 2008

 I am not sure free speech would cover this…

A conviction for offensive behaviour for burning the New Zealand flag at an Anzac ceremony was a breach of the right to free speech, the High Court in Wellington was told today.

Two protesters who disrupted Wellington’s Anzac Day dawn service last year by setting fire to the flag and blowing a horn were convicted in Wellington District Court last November.

Flag burner Valerie Morse was fined $500 plus $130 court costs for offensive behaviour while Mark Daniel Rawnsley, 29, was convicted and discharged for resisting and obstructing police.

Their lawyer, Mark Lillico, today asked Justice Forrest Miller to quash the convictions.

He argued that Judge Oke Blaikie had not applied the right balance between the right to protest and the right to be protected from offence.

Mr Lillico said freedom of expression on political views had to have higher protection despite the likelihood it would cause offence.

His clients had been specifically protesting about New Zealand’s military deployment in Afghanistan and had every right to do this.

He did concede under questioning from Justice Miller that those attending the ceremony had gone there to mark their respects for much more than what the protesters were demonstrating about and that the day had become a de facto second national day.

Mr Miller said those who protested had the right to question sacredly held beliefs and institutions even though this would cause offence and be provocative.

“Free speech is sometime an uncomfortable process for those hearing it,” Mr Lillico quoted from legal authorities.

The district court judge had also handed down half the maximum sentence and this was excessive for the offence.

He argued that Rawnsley had honestly believed that the officer who tried to take a horn off him had no power to do so and the convictions for the actions that followed should not have been imposed.

Ian Murray for the crown said the issue was not about the right to free speech or protest, but the manner in which it was undertaken.

The burning of a flag was particularly offensive to those who had gathered to commemorate the dead and the veterans, Mr Murray said.

“Freedom of expression was not a blank cheque to act as one wishes,” Mr Murray said.

People had a right to protest but in this instance had gone to far.

Justice Miller asked whether it was possible that the burning of the flag could be taken as a political protest against the decision to send people to war, not as an insult to those who had gone and died.

Mr Murray believed that was possible, but many at the ceremony would not have taken it that way.

He said Rawnsley’s defence was not legally valid and he knew the man taking the horn was a police officer.

At the initial hearing Judge Blaikie had ruled Anzac Day was a time for sombre reflection, which held an aura of dignity and respect.

“It is appropriate to assume that those people who attend are reflective and can legitimately expect to participate without offensive intrusion from others,” he said then.

A number of witnesses at that hearing said they had been highly offended by the burning of the flag and the disruption of the service.

Vandals ruin St George’s day flag

April 29th, 2008
Vandals ruin Hungerford’s war memorial flag just one week after it was raised for St Georges Day
 
THE flag raised at Hungerford Library to celebrate St George’s day was vandalised on Sunday night, less than a week after it was first flown.
The flag was one of several raised in the town before England’s national day on Wednesday last week, and it was discovered with the rope cut by Hungerford Town councillor David Liddiard on Monday.
Mayor of Hungerford, Peter Harries, said he believed it had been vandalised, and would check footage from CCTV cameras pointed at the area surrounding the library for any evidence.
“That is the response some people have to our national flag, to vandalise it,” he said.
“It’s disgraceful. The rope has been cut and the tags holding the flag in place have been ripped off.”
A flag was also raised by members of Hungerford Royal British Legion and the town council at the war memorial in Bridge Street ahead of St George’s Day, which remained intact.
The flag, which was donated to the British Legion by the town council and funded by Wilson Homes, was hoisted high above the memorial by the chairman of the British Legion’s Hungerford branch, John North.
“It was a low-key gathering,” said Mr North. “The British Legion looks after the war memorial, and I was asked out of respect to put the flag up.”
St George’s flag was also flown above St Lawrence Church in the town.
Among groups celebrating on St George’s Day was Hungerford Rotary Club, which had organised a dinner of English roast beef and apple pie at the Croft Hall.
They were entertained by Hungerford Town Band and the Bedwyn Millenium Choir, who played and sang the patriotic hymn Jerusalem, as well as Land of Hope and Glory and the national anthem, God Save the Queen.
Spokesman for the club, James Brown, said: “The Croft Hall was full to capacity, and next year we’re planning to have a dinner in the Corn Exchange, so more people can come. We’re trying to bring back St George’s Day celebrations in Hungerford.”
The dinner raised almost £700 for charity The Smile Train, which funds operations on babies and children with cleft pallets in the developing world.

The Wiltshire flag, love it or loathe it.

April 27th, 2008

Wiltshire has a flag.

Three in fact, it seems one has been accepted after a campaign by a local businessman.

The accepted one is this

Wiltshire flag

The flag is produced by Mike Prior and has it’s own site here

However over at Something fishy ‘Haddock’ is not a fan, he writes

It’s a Turkey!

Mr Prior’s daughter, Helen Pocock, a graphic designer, came up with a design for the flag using the Great Bustard as the centrepiece. The bird was previously extinct in England, but is now part of a 10-year breeding programme on Salisbury Plain.

The white colouring in the flag is to represent peace, while the green can mean joy, hope or safety. A circle of six rocks is also featured in the centre of the flag, representing both the stone circles of Avebury and Stonehenge and the six counties on to which Wiltshire borders. ( oh for goodness sake stop)

Jane Scott said: “We are pleased that we are able support this project. People in Wiltshire are rightly proud of their beautiful county and this flag will help to reinforce a sense of community identity.” ( people in Wiltshire would be pleased to be consulted, Wiltshire people are proud enough of their county and heritage not to have this flag foisted upon them )

Only a handful of counties in England have a flag of their own and Mr Prior hopes the Wiltshire flag could eventually become well used. ( same level of research as previously exhibited )

The flag will be flown at the front of County Hall, Trowbridge, at all times, except on official flag-flying days when the Union Flag will be flown and on days of county council meetings when the council’s own flag will fly.

The flag looks like a flag from a banana republic or the ‘house flag’ of Bernard Matthews

 

And he has a point! The flag is wisht washy and, well not very good.

 A much better design is this:

 

The white horse instantly cunjures up images of the beautiful county of Wiltshire and it is traditional. The flag has it’s site here

The designer Chrys fear writes:

Click here for a better quality version of the flagThe shape of the horse I have used in my design on the right was first published in Plenderleath’s “The White Horses of the West of England” in 1885. All I have done is put it on a green field. I do not know what copyright laws this may infringe, if any, but I must stress that this campaign is completely non-profit and that I do not aim to copyright this design for myself. I want it to be the property of Wiltshire’s people.

I think this design is a good one because it is not just a new invention; it is no modern innovation. This is already a well-recognised, traditional symbol of Wiltshire. Indeed, when I waved a home-made version of it at Glastonbury Festival 2005 I had a few people ask me if it was a Wiltshire flag, and they were people who were not even from the county - one was from Bedfordshire

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Newbury decide to fly the flag

April 25th, 2008

Typical for local Gorvernment they will fly the Union Jack on 17 occasions and the Cross of StGeorge on 23rd April, but they will have to have a meeting to fly a flag any other time!

 From Newbury today

THE St George’s Flag flown above Newbury Town Hall on Wedneesday (April 23) is to be the only special occasion when England’s national symbol will be on display, rather than the the Union Jlag.
The Union Flag will be hoisted up Newbury Town Hall’s new flag pole to mark at least 18 special occasions.
Last November, Newbury town councillors acquired permission to fix a four-metre flag pole on to the building’s balcony and councillors have now agreed on a schedule for when flags would fly.
St George’s Day was the second time a flag had been seen fluttering above the main door of the town hall in the Market Place, after Her Majesty The Queen’s birthday on Monday.
But on every other scheduled occasion, the British red, white and blue Union Jack will be flapping in the breeze.
At a recent town council policy and resouces committee meeting, councillors decided not to fly the EU Flag on Europe Day after an objection was raised by Adrian Edwards (Con, Falkland) that it was not a national flag.
A new option offered by the Government’s Department for Culture, Media and Sport to fly the Union Jack every day was also rejected.
The committee unanimously agreed that as well as the chosen schedule (which follows Government guidelines), three additional occasions, nameley Mayor-Making day, on May 18, Veterans’ Day, on June 27, and Commonwealth Day, March 10, would be added to the list.
Urgency sub-committee meetings will be held to discuss the possibility of marking other important local occasions or deaths as and when necessary.
The agreed schedule of occasions (excluding the dates already mentioned) is as follows:
The birthday of The Countess of Wessex - January 20
Her Majesty’s Accession - February 6
The birthday of The Duke of York - February 19
The birthday of The Earl of Wessex - March 10
The birthday of Her Majesty the Queen - April 21
St George’s Day (St George’s Flag) - April 23
Europe Day - May 9
Coronation Day - June 2
The birthday of The Duke of Edinburgh - June 10
The Official Celebration of Her Majesty’s birthday - June 14
The birthday of The Duchess of Cornwall - July 17
The birthday of The Princess Royal - August 15
Remembrance Sunday - the second Sunday in November
The birthday of The Prince of Wales - November 14
Her Majesty’s Wedding Day - November 20.

No 10 flies the Cross of StGeorge

April 25th, 2008

From the Guardian

Gordon Brown marked St George’s Day today by flying the flag of St George over Downing Street.

It is the first time in recent years that the flag has been raised at Number 10 to mark the annual occasion.

Downing Street has two flagpoles, and the red-and-white banner will fly alongside the union flag.

Other UK government buildings in England that have two flagpoles were also encouraged to fly the St George’s flag.

Where just one flagpole is available, such as the Houses of Parliament, the union flag – which takes precedence over national flags – should be flown.

Brown will also fly the Scottish saltire on St Andrew’s Day and the Welsh dragon on St David’s Day. Northern Ireland does not have an official national flag to fly on St Patrick’s Day.

The move follows a review of flag-flying practices ordered by Brown when he became prime minister.

Downing Street said that, in accordance with protocol, the union flag would fly on the “superior” pole, deemed to be the one closest to Buckingham Palace.

Brown’s spokesman said: “The prime minister’s view is that of course we should celebrate our Britishness, but celebrating our Britishness does not mean we cannot also celebrate our Englishness, Scottishness, Welshness or Northern Irishness.”

The last time Downing Street raised the flag of St George was during the 2006 football World Cup.

‘Hooligan’ flag taken down

April 21st, 2008

Now here is a strange story from Portsmouth.

Firstly the flag shown is a white ensign, the Royal Navy flag, now you’d have thought they’d have got that right in Pompey.

Secondly the flag has no particular markings to say it represents hooligans, it is just a standard flag.

Are the authorities in Portsmouth saying the official flag of the Royal Navy is a hooligan flag?

Lastly the paper cannot even get the name of the national flag right, it it of course the Cross of St George, not the St George’s flag.

This is a white ensign not a Cross of St George

 Taken from the Portsmouth news

A FLAG promoting Port-smouth’s football hooligan past has been taken down.

A St George’s flag evoking the city’s notorious violent football firm the 657 crew, who were renowned for involvement in violence around the country while following their team, was yesterday flying from The Beresford in Twyford Avenue, Stamshaw, Portsmouth.
It was clearly visible to motorists exiting the Rudmore roundabout and tourists entering the city after arriving at Portsmouth Continental Ferry Port.
But now it has been taken down after pub owners Punch Taverns spoke to the landlord.
Punch Taverns spokeswoman Jo Sandall said: ‘We were concerned about it. We didn’t want an association with hooliganism or football violence. The area manager spoke to the licensee and req
uested it be removed.

‘We can only advise licensees. Thankfully they’ve taken heed of our advice.’
Chairman of the licensing committee at Portsmouth City Council Les Stevens said: ‘It is a flag and I suppose they are allowed to fly it. It does glorify violence to a degree. It is a bit tasteless. The 657 crew were pretty notorious in their day. Even though some of these people used to work for me and they were good as gold, on football day they became part of the 657 crew.’
Inspector Gary Munt from Fratton police said: ‘The 657 crew themselves are all in their 40s and in effect it doesn’t really exist anymore. There may be a few younger ones who think they can attach themselves to that but it doesn’t exist as a football firm any more.
‘Nobody from outside the city would have a clue what it means. Residents probably think it’s all a bit old hat now. Football is a different beast now.’

 

 

Ripon asked to fly the flag for St George

April 19th, 2008

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A CALL to fly the flag of St George around Ripon next week is being heeded by shops and businesses in the city.
Last week city councillor Kenn Hart called on people to show their colours and fly the flag on Wednesday – St George’s Day.

One of those inspired by Coun Hart was Ripon City Music manager Stefan Meadley who has decked out the windows of his Kirkgate shop in red and white.

“We want to get Ripon behind the idea of St George’s Day,” he said. “There are so many other events which are promoted and surely St George’s Day should be one of them.

“A lot of people seem to dislike the idea of it getting overshadowed by St Patrick’s Day.”

Other businesses determined

to do their bit include Sainsbury’s which has invited school pupils to learn about English products and staff encouraged to be wear red and white for the day.

The One Eyed Rat in Allhallowgate is holding a British week starting tomorrow to celebrate the Queen’s birthday and St George’s Day.

Sunday will see a yard of ale contest at 3pm along with a toast to St George from the Ripon Hornblower, George Pickles. The pub will also host a fancy dress evening on St George’s Day.

Coun Hart is pleased to see his call being answered. “I think it’s wonderful but long overdue to be honest,” he said.

“Let’s just show that the English can celebrate, even though it is in the middle of the week.”

Coun Hart will also be hosting his own St George’s Day event, including a dinner and fancy dress competition, at the Golden Lion in Allhallowgate on Wednesday. Call 01765 602598 for more details.

Stolen flag headed for new Zealand?

April 4th, 2008

A bit extreme for a stolen flag perhaps?

From radio New Zealand

American police believe two men alleged to have stolen flags flying at half mast in honour of an American soldier killed in Iraq, could be in New Zealand.

The police in Jackson, Wyoming, posted a video of the theft on the YouTube website and the public response helped them identify two suspects.

Queenstown Detective Sergeant Grahme Bartlett says he was briefed by his Jackson counterparts on Friday afternoon.

He says they believe the suspects are heading to Queenstown and would like them to hand in the flags to any New Zealand police station.

Mr Bartlett says stealing flags is a minor offence in Jackson, so the main goal is getting the flags back.

Fans banned from taking giant flag to Wembley

April 4th, 2008

From Ic Wales

CITY fans who clubbed together to buy a giant flag for Sunday’s FA Cup semi-final have been told they can’t take the huge banner into Wembley.

A group of supporters who regularly use the Cardiffcity.com internet message board had raised more than £1,000 for the giant Bluebirds flag, which they intended to unveil at the ground.

Organiser Mike Inker, who approached the London stadium and Cardiff City officials to no avail, said he planned to take the flag anyway to fly along Wembley Way.

The fan of 20 years, from Cyncoed, Cardiff, said: “We asked Wembley directly if we could take it but they just referred us to their website with prohibited items and giant flags were not on there.

“So we went to the club to see if they could get us confirmation and they were told it was too big.

“We were told no other club had ever been able to take a giant flag to Wembley – and no exception would be made for us.”

Fans now plan to take the flag, which was given a trial run along the Bob Bank before Tuesday’s game against West Brom, to the home of football for fans to enjoy before the game.

Mr Inker, known on the website as Arfur Europe, added: “We always planned to use the flag next season and in the new stadium if we weren’t allowed to take it to Wembley anyway, so we’re not too disappointed.

“It would have had a great effect on the day though, it’s the length of one-and-a-half London buses and the height of one.”

Stadium manager Wayne Nash has agreed to store the banner at Ninian Park for use by the fans at future home games.

A Wembley spokeswoman said smaller flags would be encouraged in the stadium unless they have a pole of more than 1m long.

For more details of prohibited items, visit www.wembleystadium.com.

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